obama shoved through obamacare and they're saying we're not going to cooperate at all. i think had there been a spirit of cooperation coming out of the white house with obamacare, all of this would not have happened. >> if i may-- >> adam. >> i think that's sort of of silly, if you'll forgive me, ben, finger pointing. i'm going to go ahead and criticize the congress, going to criticize the administration. charles, air absolutely right. we need leadership on this issue, we haven't gotten leadership, the politicians are waiting for the crisis to get worse, and they're waiting-- >> air glossing over the fact that simpson bowles was bipartisan and the president looked the other way, and not even as a starting point. listen, you could criticize paul ryan for not agreeing with simpson bowles. >> same on him for that, i agree with you. >> it was a starting point. at least paul ryan put his own plan up. president obama, he's not led like this much on the issue. >> gerry, confidence post election, somehow these guys will get their act together? >> i'm not convinced. if you look,